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Wes93GT
04-14-2001, 06:06 PM
Well, I thought I'd never say this, but I may be in the market to sell my GT. It's getting expensive (still making payments!) and here's the kicker: I can buy my dad's totally original totally mint (and I'm serious) 1986 SVO for $9000 CANADIAN. I know I shouldn't bother asking here cause all of you guys are GT fans (and so am I), but think about it objectively.

In 1986, with premium fuel, the SVO's turbo four was rated at 200 HP @ 5000 RPM and 240 lbs/ft Torque @ 3000 RPM. That's decent for a 2.3L! On a good day, the stick cars will do 0-60 in 6.8 seconds. That'll beat a stock 5.0 with an automatic.

In 1986, 3382 SVOs were built. Compare that to in 1993 when 26,101 GT's were built. For every one 1986 SVO there are 7.7 1993 GT's. In total (1984-1986) there were just under 10,000 SVO's produced, wheras between 1987-1993 there were 1.2 million GT's produced. What car is rarer/likelier to be a collectors item?

The SVO, although it doesn't have the 5.0 grunt, is quick. It really shines in the corners, where the adjustable KONIS and lighter front end make for a wonderful driving experience. For red light racing, the 5.0 is the obvious choice but for autocrossing, stock to stock, an SVO will tune on a 5.0, even the 1993 Cobra.

So guys, after all this I ask you "What should I do? It's still a Stang, so I'm not a total sellout. The car is in perfect shape and has been treated wonderfully its whole life. Here are some current pics. Please help!

http://web.uvic.ca/~wesm/svofront.jpg

http://web.uvic.ca/~wesm/svorear.jpg

http://web.uvic.ca/~wesm/svo_interior_1.jpg

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Red85GT
04-14-2001, 07:25 PM
Wes, I dont think that i would blame you or call you a sellout for wanting the SVO, heck I would sell my 85GT for an SVO of that kind MINT status and looks of the SVO your dad owns.. And like you said there were so many GT's made VS an all original and low production and you know exactly where it's comeing from and you already know who it has been well taken care of without haveing to think of all the questions to ask the owner before you purchase from someone that you don't know.. And just think of the heads that, that SVO will turn.. I say go for it dude, buy the SVO..
Joe

Mick
04-14-2001, 08:04 PM
If you want it for collector status or to show then go for it.

Performance wise, it's not worth the money. That's thee biggest reason they sold less than 10,000 over 3 years - you could buy a quicker GT for $6000 less.

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1994 Ranger Splash (http://www.geocities.com/mt83rd/index.html?986572015220) 4.0L/A4LD(daily driver)

Topless88
04-14-2001, 08:24 PM
Wes, its a nice stang alright but does your Dad have to sell it now? If he can wait I say wait and hopefully but it down the road. Hate to see you let your 93 go. Its one of the nicest I've seen and the SVO is more of a car you keep in the garage for collector status now to keep the miles off etc. Obviously your choice but talk it over with your Dad if I were you. Too bad your not in Toronto.

Snake
04-14-2001, 09:46 PM
How are parts availability and what are the parts prices compared to a GT on the Island? I've got a place you can keep it down on East Gorge hahaha
Did the Nanaimo Courtney run on the new highway, real nice,Sure saves a lot of time to the River.
Nice looking unit by the way!!

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speedy_stang
04-14-2001, 10:37 PM
If I were you I would keep the 93, especially since its so nice. If I took the SVO, I think I would end up regretting it very much. I would think long and hard about giving up a GT that nice.

Wes93GT
04-15-2001, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by Mick:
If you want it for collector status or to show then go for it.


I would love to enter it in show competitions, and there's very little doubt that it will be worth more than my 1993 (although my car is decent, it has more milage, is less "special" and it has been repainted.) The SVO is all original... you can literally eat off the underside. A 93 GT is replaceable, but this car isn't... it's a better investment.
http://64.21.184.154/ubb/eek.gif It's been in the rain less than 10 times!

Originally posted by Mick:
Performance wise, it's not worth the money. That's thee biggest reason they sold less than 10,000 over 3 years - you could buy a quicker GT for $6000 less.


I understand that the 5.0 was about a half second quicker to 60, and similar advantages in the quarter. The deal today (15 years later) is that the SVO isn't $6000 more than my GT, it's $2000 less. At the time that's why the SVO didn't sell well (it was targeted more towards BMW drivers than hardcore drag-racers.) For the current price, milage etc. wouldn't the SVO be a superior all around performer? From what I've read and understand the better weight distribution, Konis, and four-wheel discs make for what has been called "the best handling Mustang ever produced." Of course this is untrue today (ie. 2000 Cobra R) however for me, who is far more interested in a road course than a drag-strip, would the SVO be a better option than my 5.0? Remember too that I have very little money to spend on mods. Stock performance is most important right now (potentially the SVO can be upgraded too with a T4 turbo @ 24psi and engine work that wouldn't affect the stock appearance.)

Originally posted by Topless88:
does your Dad have to sell it now?


Unfortunately it has to go... too much money tied up in too many cars. If I could get him to wait I'd have both but I don't think that'll be an option.

I just need some more feedback, please all opinions are welcome! http://64.21.184.154/ubb/biggrin.gif

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LSG85GT
04-15-2001, 02:21 AM
I personally always loved the looks of the SVO but I hated the lack of real power. A V-8 was the engine for this car. If you think your 93 is getting expensive then you maybe in for a rude awakening with the SVO. Like you said, only so few were made, then what do you think the parts for the SVO are going to cost you? Most of the parts for the earlier Mustangs are becoming obsolete. I know because I have an 85 GT. If I need a so called "OEM" part, I have to pay premium price or go to a junk yard to see if I get lucky. I looked into some dealers who stock 82-93 Mustang parts, new or used, and usually the 87-93 parts are more abundant and way cheaper. As for the SVO parts, they usually say "Call", so that means that they probably do not have it or that they do not want you to go into shock when you see the price. If you don't believe me, go to www.stangparts.com (http://www.stangparts.com) or www.mustangparts.com. (http://www.mustangparts.com.)
I would love to have the SVO looks with the GT power but to keep it running, is going to take some major $$$$. Just food for thought.

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Wes93GT
04-15-2001, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by LSG85GT :
the lack of real power.


This is the main trouble I'm having. I know from driving it that the SVO deos not haul a** like my GT does, but I think I could make up for it in the twisties. It's also a lot easier to keep the power under control (esp. in wet weather) with a spooling turbo than the instant torque of the V8.

Originally posted by LSG85GT :
to keep it running, is going to take some major $$$$


I have to disagree. The compression was just done and the results were AS NEW figures. The engine is tight on thhis car. Full boost is achieved easily with premium fuel with no detonation. Remember the car only has 30000 miles on it and it has obviously never been abused. If I treat it like my GT, it should need nothing for as long as I own it (side from a battery or plugs lol.)

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Mick
04-15-2001, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Wes93GT:
I can buy my dad's totally original totally mint (and I'm serious) 1986 SVO...I would love to enter it in show competitions, and there's very little doubt that it will be worth more than my 1993...The SVO is all original...you can literally eat off the underside. A 93 GT is replaceable, but this car isn't...it's a better investment. It's been in the rain less than 10 times!...The deal today (15 years later) is that the SVO isn't $6000 more than my GT, it's $2000 less...Remember the car only has 30000 miles on it and it has obviously never been abused.

Exactly why I responded "If you want it for collector status or to show then go for it", especially considering the immaculate condition of the car(trust me, the SVO is worth a lot more than $9000(CAN) to those who are looking for these cars in that condition). If that's why you are purchasing the vehicle and intend to keep it in the condition it's in now then I say buy it! However....

Originally posted by Wes93GT:
for me, who is far more interested in a road course than a drag-strip, would the SVO be a better option than my 5.0?...From what I've read and understand the better weight distribution, Konis, and four-wheel discs make for what has been called "the best handling Mustang ever produced."...I know from driving it that the SVO does not haul a** like my GT does, but I think I could make up for it in the twisties. It's also a lot easier to keep the power under control (esp. in wet weather) with a spooling turbo than the instant torque of the V8.


Yes, the F/R weight distribution, shocks/struts, tires, 4-wheel disc brakes make for an outstanding vehicle on the racetrack..BUT..are you actually going to drive daily aggresively and/or autocross this "investment"? If you are then it's not really going to be an investment as the collector and show value will decrease as mileage increases and OE parts are replaced from wear of daily driving duty and racing. Low mileage and 'all original' vehicles always command higher resale prices than cars of the opposite condition of the same year, make, and model.

Originally posted by Wes93GT:
I have very little money to spend on mods. Stock performance is most important right now{potentially the SVO can be upgraded too with a T4 turbo @ 24psi and engine work that wouldn't affect the stock appearance.)

Again, are you buying the car as an investment or do you plan on upgrading and replacing stock(there's that collector value again) parts and driving daily and race it? Don't tell me you ONLY plan on changing from a t3 to a t3/t04 and engine work to support the upgraded compressor, http://64.21.184.154/ubb/tongue.gif that's what we all say. The 2.3L costs a lot more to modify for considerable performance gains compared to a 5.0L.

I stand by my original assessment...The Mustang SVO would be a wise investment for collector status and/or show but performance can be had cheaper and more easily with a 5.0L Mustang(then and especially now).

If you are bent on having a well handling Mustang that you can drive daily aggresively and/or autocross then I wouldn't waste money on the collectable SVO.

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1994 Ranger Splash (http://www.geocities.com/mt83rd/index.html?986572015220) 4.0L/A4LD(daily driver)

Wes93GT
04-15-2001, 04:32 AM
Thanks Mick, I appreciate the feedback. I guess that I really won't be doing much rallying http://64.21.184.154/ubb/tongue.gif in the SVO... I only put on 15-25km per day so milage isn't really a concern. I'm neurotic about the maintenance of my GT, so keeping the car in greatr shape shouldn't be a problem either. After hearing what you had to say I agree that it would be (if anything) for collectible and show status - it would be nice to start with a car that needs nothing instead of building it up. I still have some thinking to do, but I think I could live with the lower power output as a tradeoff for something special. I'll let you guys know what develops!

PS-for anyone who has never driven one of these, do. It's a fanastic experience. The steering (wonderful feel) and the bumblebee exhaust note are very different from a 5.0, but are attractive in a different way!
Thanks again!

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Snake
04-15-2001, 06:59 AM
http://www.photoloft.com/view/exportImage.asp?s=plft&i=5729972&w=360&h=213

The 81 'll pull close to 70mph comin up the hill past the mine in Princeton
little 200 inline is getting scarce as hen's teeth,Think I'll keep it!

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gmstmpr
04-15-2001, 03:45 PM
wes...go for it...that is a beautiful car...you can always build another gt someday...but when will you ever find an origional unrestored SVO in as good a shape as that? never, especially with that low of a $ sign

FlowmasterGT
04-15-2001, 05:02 PM
yeah, but look at that paint job on the GT. WOW!!!! Thats all I gotta say.

Jesbo
04-16-2001, 07:38 AM
Tell your Dad you'll make monthly payments on the SVO, and keep your GT. I saw your site dedicated to painting the beautiful GT, and think you'd regret selling it. But a 30,000 km Silver SVO is pretty much priceless. Do what you have to do.
I'd go for the GT...no wait the SVO... heh, I wish I had your dilemma.

FL_Stang
04-16-2001, 11:50 AM
Well, I agree that it is a nice position, although difficult, to be put into. I don't think that your situation would deal with making payments on both (you did say you still had payments on the GT right). The way I would look at it is that you could have a lower mileage car with some benefits, and detractors. On the upside, if buying the SVO, what would become of the GT? Sell it? Have someone take the payments and pay you? From what you have posted I think you are leaning towards the SVO, and it has been my experience to go with your first gut feeling in decisions like this. Bottom line, will you miss the GT too much? If so, don't settle. If you like the driveing "feel" of the SVO, you will probably served just as well by it as you were your GT, it just performes in different things. Talk to some SVO folks, get thier idea's as well, because the ones who have had the vehicles a while will have some useful input as well. Good luck with your decision, pretty cars - both of them!

Topless89GT
04-16-2001, 10:44 PM
You need both, if you buy Dad's, then you will need a daily driver....the GT. So play the lotto or something. Will dad get creative financing with you? $500 down, $150/month for 72 months. Don't forget you can refi the existing loan on the GT too. Don't know how much you owe, or how many months, but if your credit is good, I know you can get 48 months and strech out your balance again. See how much the payment would drop. Yes, you'd be paying more in the long run, but you'd have two fine Mustangs.

gmstmpr
04-17-2001, 01:08 AM
Topless....are you shore you dont work for he bank that holds the title on his gt??

Wes93GT
04-17-2001, 01:29 AM
LOL! We'll see what happens... I washed & detailed both Stangs yesterday and they both look fantastic... I'm going to put a day of insurance on the SVO and take it for a rip. Maybe I'll have a better feeling then!?

Originally posted by Topless89GT:
you will need a daily driver...

Yeah, that'd be ideal... I think I could drive the SVO regularly and keep it tidy... maybe I just need a junker 4cyl Stang for the rainy days lol!

Mick
04-17-2001, 02:48 AM
Just remember which is a collector's car already and which is not. Increasing mileage on the SVO will only decrease it's value when time comes to part ways with it. It's in beautiful condition and will command a high price if sold as is. And if you think you will never part ways with it, is that not the same thing you thought about your GT? http://64.21.184.154/ubb/wink.gif

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1994 Ranger Splash (http://www.geocities.com/mt83rd/index.html?986572015220) 4.0L/A4LD(daily driver)

Steve85GT
04-17-2001, 12:11 PM
I'd try really hard to get the SVO. You may never get a chance at another in as good a condition. See the April issue of Mustang Monthly for a feature on an 85 SVO (and how difficult it was to restore).
Mick- Part with my GT? 16 years, baby!!

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Outlaw5.0
04-17-2001, 01:25 PM
Well Wes, i think this boils down to one simple thing. What do you see your self doing with each car in 5 years. And which one will bring you more happyness, regardless of selling price later, speed, price of upgraded parts, etc. I decided to sell my 83 about a month ago and am in the prosses of finding a new car, beacuse when i added it all up i found that a newer car would make me more happy.One last thing, now matter what anyone else say's it still comes down to your decition, good luck and let us know what you do.

Wes93GT
04-19-2001, 12:18 AM
Well, I don't plan on owning the 5.0 in 5 years. Hopefully I'll be making more money and will be able to afford something with a little more kick and a little more special (1993 Cobra R or 1995 Cobra?) I've been checking out the "Under $2000" column in the paper... maybe I should buy the SVO, keep it as a sunny day/collectible/show car, and have a true beater to get around in most of the time (current options are 1988 Plymouth Horizon - good mechanical condidtion $400 or 1989 Ford Escort - new brakes good condition some rust $350) Think I could stand to have a junker that I don't give a rat's patoot about?!

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speedy_stang
04-19-2001, 01:53 AM
I dont know about that! I am currently driving a beater until I find my next Stang, and I hate it. Keep the GT! ( I guess I'm saying this because I have always despised the styling of SVO's )

BADPONY
04-19-2001, 10:33 PM
Yeah, I agree... I don't know anything at all about the value, rareness, etc of the SVO...all I know in my uneducated opinion is that your GT looks WAY cooler than that SVO. I've just always liked the look of the "skirted" GT's. The SVO does have that "rare" look to it, though. Yeah, I'd start workin' on dad about a deal to own both.
good luck, hope it works out...
Brant

Topless89GT
04-20-2001, 01:34 PM
Well make sure you put the GT on the classified section when the time comes. Don't forget to put the price in Canadian and U.S. terms. Maybe someone will have to drive up and see you.

cobracar
04-20-2001, 02:50 PM
Wes, if you want my opinion, here it is. Sell the GT and buy the SVO in a heartbeat. I wouldn't think twice about it. Now, I don't want all the GT lovers on this board to get upset with me, but I do like the SVO over the GT. As you all know, my first love is the 93 Cobra but I would not sell my current 89 unless an unbelievable deal was offered to me.

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LSG85GT
04-20-2001, 10:07 PM
Wes,
the SVO is a nice looking cart and if the compression test said it was good then go for it but remember that as Mick said, the more you drive it, the more it will lose value and yes, the parts are more expensive. We are talking restoration here. All I gave you was some food for thought since I have called places and try to get some SVO parts for my 85 GT. Believe me, you got only two choices, either obsolete or very expensive even my GT is the same way. How much you think my Motorcraft carburetor is? About $1,000 new. of course I can get an aftermarket cheaper but if I want it original, I have to pay lots of $$$$. As I said before, it all depends what you want out of a car. If you want it, I say, go for it, just take care of it since there are not too many of them around and if you are plnning to keep it stock, just be ready to pay.

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Wes93GT
04-20-2001, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by LSG85GT:
if the compression test said it was good then go for it


Yep... the Ford mechanic said that the compression was literally as new the engine now is probably perfectly broken in but not worn at all. In addition, he told my dad that once the car was on the lift he called everyone over to "check out the underside." They, like me, were amazed!

I'm think seriously about buying it, selling my GT ( http://64.21.184.154/ubb/frown.gif but I can't have both!) and saving the SVO for nice days and shows. I could have a cheap beater for daily driving. This way the milage and wear will be minimal and if anything its value should go up. I figure that in the future I can easily replace my 5.0

speedy_stang
04-21-2001, 12:57 AM
It might not be as easy as you think to replace a car that nice. I would just ask myself, do I want to go from an incredible GT to driving a beater most days just to have an SVO in the garage? My answer would most definitly be a no and a half.

93mustang
04-22-2001, 08:40 PM
Wes..I think that you have already invested more money into your GT (Cobra to the untrained eye) than you would get out of it if you sold it now. The SVO would make an excellent show car, but remember that if you do drive it, you are going to have to replace it. Eventually, it will need a new engine. Now, if that does occur, and it is a good 10 or more years down the road, consider the cost. I think that you have already invested your heart and soul into your GT/Cobra replica, and have also inspired others to do the same with thier cars, myself included. Ultimately, the choice is yours, but I think you would be better off keeping your GT. You don't have to go too heavy on mods until you have payed it off completely. Dump your mod money into your payment (I know easier said than done). Good luck and let us know.

93mustang
04-22-2001, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by 93mustang:
but remember that if you do drive it, you are going to have to replace it.

I meant to say you are going to have to replace alot of parts on it :)